ELEOS....

gia ths kinitopoihseis twn ka8igitwn AEI...

den 8a sas kourasw me kati pou isws den endiaferei kai pollous mono kapoies skorpies skepseis mou... Apergiakes kinitopoihseis apofasisan oi ka8igites logw mh ikanopoihshs twn oikonomikwn tous aithmatwn... kai rwtw... kai swsta kai dikaia na nai ta aitimata tous den anairoun thn koinwnikh tous apodoxh pragmatopoiwntas apergiakes kinitopoihseis en mesw ths exetastikhs?strefomenoi se telikh analish....kata twn fititwn"? kai mia teleutaia...erwthsh...autes oi fititikes parataxeis ti sto kalo kanoun?den antidroun den fonazoun?paidia kali kai i mikonos kai mena mou aresei..alla apo to super paradize den askeis politikh...

από Mpoyrmpoylithras 18/05/2002 2:26 μμ.


Kai mi moy pei kaneis gia ta dikaiomata twn ftoxwn megalokathigitadwn twn panepistimiwn giati tha po kamia koyventa!

:-)

από LK 18/05/2002 2:55 μμ.


Giati re sy? Kala na kanoun Basika, kalo 8a htan na apergisoun mesa sthn e3etastikh, opote na xa8ei kai na paei diplh ton septembrh. Etsi 8a exoun ki oi amoiroi foithtes peri8orio gia kanena epipleon mpanaki.

από x.g.a 18/05/2002 7:04 μμ.


nai polu orea ta les file l.k. ala meta elines fhthtes min fonazetai oti eiste proth se epipedw gnosewn giati otan oi kathigites sas apergoun kai kanetai banaki na xeretai pos oi xenes kuberniseis plironoun 5% tou ethnikou prohpologismou se ereuna otan h elada plhrwnei molis to 0.05% ethsiws. kai den einai mono auto. auto einai mono to kerasaki

από ParaNG@ 19/05/2002 4:43 μμ.


Epidh exw empeiria kai apo ellhniko kai apo xena panepisthmia, (ollandia kai twra agglia, protimw 1000 fores na spoudazw ellada. De 8a milhsw gia thn ekpaideush genika, h opoia exei xilia duo koutsa straba apo th riza kai anaparagei auto to xali pou zoume, mhn to piasoume auto, to mono pou 8a pw oti edw stas eurwpas pou toso 8elei na moiasei h ellada, h xwra ths klapsouras, ta panepisthmia leitourgoun san epixeirhseis. Arxika dexontai epidothseis apo ka8e eidous foreis kai epixeirhseis, gia paradeigma edw sto Uni. of Bath, rixnei kondulia metaxu allwn to upourgeio amunas ths bretanias. Kapoios 8alege, kai ti peitrazei? ka8olou, apla nomimopoieite etsi perisotero h uparxh tetoiwn...8esmwn kai sugxronws h exarthsh ginetai tetoia pou to ena den mporei na epibiwsei dixws to allo. kai auto exei polla parakladia. Oi lectores douleuoun me sumbaseis, 1-3 xronia suni8ws(pou na kounh8oun meta), kai o antagwnismos einai arketa megalos (opws kai sthn ellada allwste). Ta didaktra, opws kai to kostos zwhs einai terastia, pragmatika niw8w polu malakas pou prepei na plhrwnw gia oti leme 'gnwsh' kai auto(to oti plerwneis) den einai kati ksexwro giati se vazei eukola sto tripaki, ths 'apokthshs xartiwn kai titlwn kai ptuxeiwn les kai einai brabeia, prokeimenou na metafrastoun kapote se lefta...Oi de spoudes, idiws oi metaptuxiakes, exoun safestato prosanatolismo sthn agora ergasias kai stis anages ths 'epoxhs' kai twn epixeirhsewn, kai fusika olo to tsourmo pou vgenei oneireuete 8esh manager h mia kariera telos pantwn, toso xrhma kai xrono kai kopo edwsan, ginetai kai uparxiako to 8ema, gia dikaiwsh. ksefuga...! Loipon, oi 'gnwseis' peran ths sxolastikothtas kai aniarhs typologias pou diakrinei ta ma8hmata kai ta asignments, exoun ena teleiws xliaro 'politically correct' xarakthra, kati pou shmenei, oti eimaste parathrhtes kai pio polu akolou8htes ths pragmatikothtas, xwris paregliseis kai outopies, auta einai paramu8ia, skopos mas einai h douleia...auto vevaia exei na kanei kai me to xarakthra tou ka8hghth, omws se ena steiro periballon, oi parembaseis einai memwnwmenes kai katadikasmenes sunh8ws.... pou hmouna? loipon steiro periballon...asfaleia, kameres mpatsoi pantou, se olh thn agglia, kai sta panepisthmia. 1 grafiti kaname ena vradu kai to prwi hrt8e kai peripoliko kai evgazan fotografies...ena pano shkwsame, petaxame kai ena alfadi@, kai katevhke sxedon amesws apo thn asfaleia... ekdhlwsh gia palesthnh den epitrapike giati den eixame society anagnwrismenh apo to student's union, mia paparia gemath florous pou nomizoun oti exoun kai apopsh, kati tsirakia twn ka8hghtadwn, oute h dap den einai toso xalia, h PKS 8a tan edw to pneuma ths..epanastashs, kako xrono naxoune, ola upo to prosxhma oti h 'politikh' peperi na einai exw apo to panepisthmio, agglikh upokrhsia se olo ths to megaleio, les kai eime8a se eleu8eriako xwro, malakes ta didaktra oi mpatsoi, oi kanonismoi den einai politikh....kai fusika oi foithtes edw apoxawnontai me th 'autapodekth' pleon idea ths upotaghs tous.... eixa mizeriasei me thn katantia twn ellhnikwn panepisthmiwn, me ta knat, tous foithtopateres, tis kwlosuneleuseis, to tavlaki kai tous kafedes kai olo to lifestyle ths 'anemelias' kai kala, alla pleon, oxi pws mou leipse alla to protimw... oti ema8a to ma8a apo to xrono pou eixa gia ton eauto mou.. to xeirotero: epeidh goustarei o kosmos sthn ellada th fash ths 'me8odikothtas' pou xoun edw panw, kai thn eidame kai polu eurwpaioi na poume, konteuoume, plhsiazoume se authn th katantia, thn plhrh apousia ere8ismatwn.... toulaxisto den eixame na plhrwnoume.

από Neaty 19/05/2002 7:21 μμ.


Sumfwnw mazi sou se sugekrimena pragmata opws to oti ta agglakia kai isws kai allou eurwpi (aplws exw ebeiria agglias) einai kata megala pososta aboula kai pws genikotera i xwra tous exei proxwrisei se kapoia stadia elenxou pou den exoume akoma stin Ellada me apotelesma na duskoleuei kathe kinitopoisi tou aplou politi alla......Ola auta pou les peri theseis manager metaptyxiaka kai ptyxeia ws brabeia den sumfwnw. Ypotithetai pws erxomenos na spoudaseis, to thes kai to kaneis.Twra an ena megalo pososto ellinwn tou exswterikou ontws zoune se mia outopia pws gyrizontas tha ginoune ekkatomuriouxoi sumfwnw alla den isxuei gia olous kai ektos autou den exei katholou auto na kanei me tin ekpaideusi. To thema pou thixtike ligo parapanw einai kata poso organwmeni einai i ekpaideusi tis elladas kai meta sto thema prostehike kai i eurwpi. Prwswpiki mou apopsi einai pws ta pronomia ,i mathisi, i ekpaideusi kai ola osa exoune na kanoune me paideia edw sugekrimena (UK) einai katapliktika organwmena kai dikaia.Se prosexoun katarxas oi kathigites, pairneis simasia apo autous den einai opws ellada pou epeidi kanoune dikes tous ereunes grafoune tous mathites tous(megalo pososto) me apotelesma oi ellines foitites na prepei na manteuoune i na apostithizoune kati epeidi den to katanoisane kala. Isws ki epeidi einai i nootropia tou ellina diaforetiki apo tou eurwpaiou akoma, na briskei o ellinas ellatwmata se alles eurwpaikes xwres.Kai einai logiko giati exoume mathei na leitourgoume polly pio atsala,autonoma,eleuthera kai anorganwta. Den boroume omws pisteuw na sugrinoume ta ellinika me ta eurwpaika panepistimia epeidi pisteuw pws sto prwto enw exei arketa kalo epipedo mathisis ,xaris se kati tetoiou eidous apergies pou thixtikan parapanw kai alles katastaseis pou eidi anefera, apofoiteis sta 50 sou kai sto deutero ektos apo kalo epipedo mathisis, kai foitoitika pronomia kai organwsi apofoiteis analoga me to poso diabazeis i alliws me to poso prosfereis gia na pareis to ptyxio sou.Opote kalytera pisteuw na kanei kapoios o,ti borei kai na krinetai apo to panepistimio apo to kata poso doulepse ki as plirwsei i eurwpaiki enwsi gia auto den peirazei,para elleipis mathisi me apergies kathysterimena biblia, anorganwtoi xwroi mathiswes kathisio frapedies kai loufa kai meta apo 6 xronia na suniditopoiei kapoios pws einai akoma 1o xrono. Kai kati teleutaio an i Agglia eitan san tin Ellada tote oi Ellines tha bgazane ptyxio toso dyskola oso kai stin ellada giati an kati se kanei na diabazeis kai na sugentrwnesai einai i baremara tis,i skatila tis, o kairos tis kai i elleipsi loufa tropou zwis.Apo tin allin polles fores exw pei "kai ti den tha dina na spoudaza ellada" :) Isws epeidi einai perissotero foitiki zwi.... Anyway ro thema eitane oi kathigites kai oi apergies ki egw xsefyga :P See ya!

από pAranG@ 19/05/2002 8:11 μμ.


Basika, blepw to 8ema arketa genikotera, giati amfisbhtw apo th bash ths thn organwsh ths ekpaideushs, eite agglia, eite ellada...to oti ki egw briskomai edw, den mporw na pw oti htan toso aplo 'epeidh to 8elhsa mono', to 8ema htan oti hr8a gia na glutwsw apo strato, douleia kai gia diaforous proswpikous logous...telos pantwn...entaxei, nai to 8elhsa.. Pantws de nomizw oti h organwsh shmainei kalutero epipedo gnwshs aparaithta, giati h organwsh ginetai ekei pou estiazei, stous stoxous kai stis kateu8unseis pou exei h ekpaideutikh diadikasia. H ba8uterh ousia gia mena einai skarth, sth agglia kai genikotera, giati sigoura den uposthrizw oti sthn ellada pou 6 xronia 'spoudaza'(as poume..!) to panepisthmio antapokri8hke stis anages mou kai toso. Sthn agglia einai leitourgikoi, sigoura, omws de mou leei kai polla. grafeiokrates deontologoi dhmosioi upaliloi einai pou den exoun suxna apopsh. kai ta ma8hmata ta pernas epeidh piezesai perisotero apo deadlines, apo ta lefta pou exeis dwsei, apo xilious logous kai filotima pou se pianoun, polu amfiballw gia to poso to euxaristiomaste...!(uparxoun kai mazoxes!). Opote, enough! epishs, gia mena einai polu shmantika 8emata, auta twn upsilwn didaktrwn, ths xrhmatodothshs tou panepisthmiou apo polue8nikes kai stratiwtika programata, ths genikoterhs apolitikopoihshs kai apoxaunwshs pou sunthreite, ths astunomeushs, kai ola auta antanaklwntai sto genikotero suntiritismo kai mizeria ths agglikhs koinwnias...mesa apo thn ekpaideush filtrarontai kai anaparagontai ta panta... fusika kai sthn ellada gia klamata einai kai h katastash 8a vouliaxei akoma perisotero, kuriws giati paei o kosmos na ginei ena kakektupo oswn antilamvanetai ws 'eurwpaikwn' katastasewn, pou toso, 8aumazoume kai oi opoies sterountai ousias kai apopshs gia th zwh se megalo va8mo, pisw apo th leitourgikothta tous. kai telos, to oti eixa dwrean sitish, stegash, vivlia(estw kai ka8usterhmena suxna), eukairies na ksanadwsw ma8hmata kai na organwsw dixws piesh to xrono mou, alla kai h apousia didaktrwn einai polu shmantika pragmata. Den eugnomwnw to kratos fusika giati xerw polu kosmo pou parasitozei mesa s'autes tis uphresies kai oute kai mou ta prosferei to kratos les kai einai o ah vasilhs apo to diasthma, emeis ta xrewnomaste ola, kai gia mena h ekpaideush prepei na einai dwrean, giati mesa apo auth prepei na diamorfonontai an8rwpoi kai suneidhseis, oxi upalhloi. mou aresei akoma h idea mias eleu8eriakhs paideias, opws thn prwtooramatisthke kai thn efarmose o Ferer sthn ispania twn arxwn tou aiwna.... ok, outws h allws filika legontai ola, sorry ama xefugame ligaki.. **por la lucha social!!**

από Neaty 20/05/2002 3:11 πμ.


E daxsi mwre kaloproaireta xsefugame:) Toulaxiston sunexistikan posts sto arthro....

από countzero 20/05/2002 12:14 μμ.


..den ksero kati prosopiko.. ;) Afto pou ksero omos einai oti polloi kathigites sth sxolh mou (pliroforikh) borei kai na se vrisoun an zhthseis systatikh epistolh gia metaptyxiako sthn agglia. Pera apo 1-2 idrymata ta ypoloipa ta theoroun tromerh katantia... Kai apo osa exo dei kai exo akousei symfono mazi tous. Exo gnorisei atoma pou kanan diplomatikh gia to master tous thn opoia se emas den tha katadexotan na thn valoun oute san ergasia proptyxiakou mathimatos. Epishs sthn prohgoumenh douleia mou eixe erthei gia ligo kairo enas typos pou spoudaze computer science sthn skotia me ena stylaki "ego spoudazo ekso kai ksero pragmata pou eseis den tha mathete pote". Perito na po oti tis gnoseis tou den tis zhlevan oute oi apofoitoi IEK sth douleia.

από Neaty 20/05/2002 1:44 μμ.


daxsi einai proswpiki sou apopsi kai den tha prepe na epembw alla thelw na sou pw giati diafwnw.Katarxas eipame pws den theloume na sugrinoume agglia me ellada san gnwseis.To eipa auto giauton akribws ton logo epeidi sigoura tha ypirxane diamaxes. Koitaxse panw se auto pou les gia ta idrymata tis agglias an oi kathigites sou anagnwrizoune kana dyo pou auta logika tha nai to oxford kai to cambridge sta opoia kai ta 2 den exw akousei ellines asteria na bainoune ta teleutaia 10 xronia ;)Ama einai re si na milame gia aproseggista dyskola na min to leme kai katholou.Kata talla i Agglia exei polly perissotera apo 100 panepistimia pws ginetai na einai mono 2-3 ta kala tis? Yparxoune poikoiles protimiseis otan etoimazesai na dialexseis ena panepistimio.Den les a exei wraio onoma opote as paw...Ypotithetai pws exeis psaxsei kai apo tin forma tou DIKATSA se ti thesi brisketai me basi ta ellinika dedomena.Pera apo auto twra oson afora auto me tis diplwmatikes pou eipes.....Stin Agglia exw dei polla atoma pou fernoune ellinikes ptyxiakes kai tin metafrazoun kai tin dinoun,pragma pou briskw aparadekto.Alla san ellinas exeis megalwsei stin poustia ara tha kaneis kai poustia.Bebaia auto tha borouse na sumbei mono se kati courses opws Bussiness,Law klp.Se kati praktiko kai pio epistimoniko epeidi prokeitai gia ereuna den dexontai oute malakies oute eukola pragmata opws ypostirizeis.Kai kati allo exw polla filarakia mou perasane ellada kai twra xrwstane oi misoi ola ta mathimata alloi ta misa ki alloi akoma na patisoune.Opws yparxoune kai sunepeis pou pane kai diabazoune.Oso gia tous teleutaious pote den eida na exoune tin arxi pou akolouthoume emeis edw panw.To na dwseis mia ergasia stin ellada pou einai san bakaloxarto kai na sou kanoune kai proseuxi to briskw aparadekto.Na fantasteis pws oi perissoteroi ellines foitites den exoune kan ypologisti (oxi epeidi einai akribos i epeidi tha eprepe na eixan den to paw ekei) alla epeidi den tous xreiazetai se tipote.Oso gia ton kathigiti sou ki egw eixa mia paromoia periptwsi sto lykeio pou eitane kai kala kata tis Agglias kai molis ton petyxa ston dromo enw eixa anebei edw kai tou exsigisa ti kanw,pou kai se ti stadio briskomai xarike aperiorista.Einai kathara i elliniki prokatalipsi auto pou exoune oi perissoteroi ellines genikotera oxi mono oi kathigites.Auto ederne kai ton kathigiti sou pistepse me.Opws autos ederne esena me to paidi apo tin skwtia.Exoume mathei san Ellines kai prokatellimenoi na bgazoume ta dika mas subermasmata gia ton kathena apo autou pou tha sou poulisei enw den einai etsi einai polly lathos.Kai gia na kleinw pisteuw pws se opoio panepistimio kai na eisai an den strwtheis apo monos sou den prokeitai na matheis tpt.Skopos den einai mono na patas se kana mathima kai na min afineis kena alla na leitourgeis kai me basi tis odigies prwswpikwn wrwn diabasmatos pou sou parexei to panepistimio.Opote to palikari pou eides kai eidika gia computer science pou den einai katholou eukolo isws i na eitane akoma prwto xrono kai na tou meinei ws tou xronou aplws i xara pws katafere epitelous gia ena xrono na bei se uni me computers, i tha strwsei kwlo kai tha diabasei kai tha perasei.Kai kati teleutaio o paramikros anthrwpos ston kosmo pou tha spoudaze computer science, tha ithele na einai mesa stin texnologia kai exselixsi tou ilektronikou ypologisti.Den nomizw pws enas Ellinas antikeimenika (kai apo prwswpikes ebeiries)tha douleue eutyxismenos se mia etaireia opws i compaq paradeigma enw edw exeis sunithisei na baineis prowra stin texnologia akoma kai stin mikroteri pithani etairioula.Bebaia xserw den ftaaiei i Ellada gia auto.Apla eimaste ligo pisw alla giauto akribws den boreis na kaneis sugrisi.Epeidi an kaneis sugrisi arxizoune oi sugrouseis kai eilikrina prwswpika pisteuw pws me ta mixanimata kai to systima pou exoune edw ola osa exw mathei isws kai na min ta eixa mathei stin ellada..........Kai den einai o monos pou kanei computers kai eipe pws stin ellada den tha mathaine ta idia oloi oi kobiouterades auto lene den nomizw na zoune se paramythi.Twra to na mostrareis omws pws eisai uk kai xairesai kai na meiwneis asxima to elliniko panepistimio emmesa den einai katholou wraio..(auto pou ekane o nearos).Genikotera den yparxei kanenas logos kapoios na to pairnei panw tou gia to ti einai ,pou einai kai ti mathainei giati ola exsartountai apo auton eite einai ellada eite uk. P.S Xilia sorry gia tim makrygoria kai to biastiko post:) Thanks

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από countzero 21/05/2002 2:52 πμ.


ok, isos na to isopedosa ypervolika to thema an kai otan milousa gia 2-3 ennoousa sthn epistimh mou. Isos na einai perissotera alla einai genikh omologia oti h agglia exei ginei kati san supermarket ptyxion. Kai apo osa exoun dei ta matia mou pistevo oti sigoura yparxoun kai panepistimia pou einai sto epipedo ton edo iek h kai xeirotera. Den ypostirizo se kamia periptosh oti oi foitites sthn Agglia kolovarane. Apo oso exo akousei ola ta Agglika panepistimia se vazoun se rythmous synexhs douleias. Apla exo polles enstaseis sthn poiothta afths ths douleias. Mou exoun dosei 2-3 fores filoi h gnostoi na tous kano ergasies gia thn sxolh tous sthn agglia tis opoies oi idioi sto 3o etos den borousan na kanoun eno htan ypothesh enos apogevmatos. Oson afora tis ergasies "bakaloxarta" diafono katheta. Den ksero polla gia tis alles ellhnikes sxoles, alla ksero oti kapoies ergasies pou exo dei h exo kanei sth sxolh mou, me ligh akomh douleia tha borousan aneta na htan epistimonika papers an den eixan hdh dhmosieftei merika xronia prin mas anatethoun. Tis gnoseis tora, pou sou prosferei to aggliko panepistimio, nai den tha tis epernes sthn ellada kai poly sosta kata thn gnomh mou. Den einai dynaton enas episthmonas pliroforikhs na mathainei sto panepistimio Visual Basic p.x. pou borei na tis mathei diavazontas ena vivlio gia mia evdomada kai na mhn kserei mathimatika kai theoritikh pliroforikh ta opoia den prokeitai na ta mathei monos tou epeidh oute efkolo einai, oute tha katalavei oti tou xreiazontai. Einai diaforetiko pragma kata thn gnomh mou h epistimh kai diaforetiko h texnologikh ekpaidefsh. Aposa exo dei kai akousei sthn agglia mathaineis ta teleios vasika apo pliroforikh kai meta arxizei h texnologikh ekpaidefsh. Isos afto na se voithisei na beis amesa sthn agora, alla tha gineis enas ergaths ths pliroforikhs me poly mikrh eveliksia ston tomea me ton opoion tha asxolitheis kai telikos tha antimetopiseis sovara provlimata otan tha prepei na lyseis mh tetrimena provlhmata pou ksepernane tis texnologies tis opoies ksereis. Prosopika, eixa thn entelos antitheth apopsh otan bhka sth sxolh. Exontas hdh kapoies texnologikes gnoseis theorousa osa kaname anousia. Meta apo 4 xronia kai afou perasa h synergasthka me kapoies etairies siniditopoihsa thn xrhsimothta olon ton parapano kai xairomai pou den mou spatalhse ton xrono h sxolh mou mathainontas mou php,asp kai ola osa xrhsimopoio stis douleies pou kano. Telospandon, gia na kleiso epeidh phge arga, den ypostirizo oti ola ta agglika panepistimia einai skata. Apla exo thn pepoithish oti ena shmantiko pososto yparxei apla gia na eispratei didaktra kai ena megalytero pososto an kai kanei kapoia douleia exei teleios lathos prosanatolismo.

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